thanks for your help, but I can't find QuickForm2.php even though I have a Pear folder. MAMP/bin/php5.3.6/lib/php/PEAR/ I presume if I have the pear folder than that file should be there. As to hidden folders, I am on a mac, and am not aware of any hidden folders that I could access. Is it possible to just download the QuickForm2 package? thanks again. wallys12345