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Hi Larry, Just want to say thanks for your help in the past. I wasn't really expecting the author to answer questions, lol! I have both the first and second site coded and working (well, except for SSL checkout issue in ex2). However I can't even get the first update in Chapter 12 to ex1 working! Our teacher assigned both chapters 12 and 13 this week for class and I don't see that happening with the problems I'm having getting through just the first part of chapter 12! I personally work better off seeing working code. Do you have a working page.php from chapter 5 (starting on page 130