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Great book. Chapter 9 on QuickForm2 is very interesting, and the examples as far as they go are very informative, but just echo $form or echo default renderer both produce a two column type form, first column for label, second column for input etc. PEAR documentation refers to using the Stub Renderer to manually output complex HTML implying that virtually any layout including complex tables can be achieved. I have tried to use this but failed in my attempts, and I cannot find any examples that explain the use of the Stub Renderer. The example on PEAR just says 'Output goes here', but does not show example output, and if I put a Submit Button there, it does not activate the form. Are there any easy to follow examples of creating a form with a complex layout using QuickForm2, or can someone please explain how this can be achieved, please?